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VG
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Gute Fotos, aber die Beschreibung ist ab und zu fehlgelaufen... was ich definitiv erkennen konte, sind folgende:


Lok 66173 ist zuerst mit EIC 104, dann mit 204 zu sehen

EU07-324 zieht EC 114 (Krakow-Praha)

EP09-013 zieht IC 3806/7 (Przemysl-Kolobrzeg)


(P.S.: diese Qualmbelästigung ist noch ziemlich umweltfreundlich gegenüber mancher Vertretern der M62-Familie... :-))) )
Danke keine Nacht, ich habe es angepasst. Komisch, dass die ÖBB Wagen nicht aus Österreich kamen. Aber anderseits gibt es in der Tat keine ÖBB Wagen nach dem Norden Polens. Übrigens gibt es viele Schmutzstoffe wie NOx und CO2 die man nicht sehen kann. Aber ich bin auch mehr begeistert von Russpartikel.

VG
Wouter
Zitat
Komisch, dass die ÖBB Wagen nicht aus Österreich kamen.
Kommen sie eh. [www.vagonweb.cz]
Some photos have definitely incorrect descriptions

The descriptions

>UZ 2M62y-0215 hauls 16 UZ coaches as train 2 (Kostiantynivka, UA
>- Ivano-Frankivsk, UA) at Stare Selo (UA) on 22 April 2019.

and

>UZ 2M62y-0215 hauls 16 UZ coaches as train 2 (Kostiantynivka, UA -
>Ivano-Frankivsk, UA) at Jesupil (UA) on 22 April 2019.

Are definitely wrong. Most probably it's one of previous trains (but definitely not the 7/8), which was late this day.

There are 3 reasons why the train on those photos cannot be the train 1/2:

-train 1/2 cannot have 16 cars, it's always shorter - normally it consists of 10 cars. Increasing to bigger length is not possible technically. With heavier and longer train it will be not possible keep so fast schedlue as 1/2 have with such locos and such speed limitations.
- 1/2 consist from much more beautiful (newer, fresher and better painted) cars. You have 3 pictures which really display how 1/2 looks like - it's "UZ 2M62-0999 hauls train 2 (Kostiantynivka, UA - Ivano-Frankivsk, UA) through Bud'kiv (UA) station on 24 April 2019." , "UZ 2M62-0999 hauls train 1 (Ivano-Frankivsk, UA - Kostiantynivka, UA) at Jamnyzja (UA) on 22 April 2019." and the third is incorrectly marked "UZ 2M62y-0215 runs through Voloshchyna (UA) with train 134 (Mykolayiv, UA - Ivano-Frankivsk, UA) on 26 April 2019." (in fact it's 1/2)
-1/2 don't contain platzkartny cars. While the cars on 2 photos above are definitely platzkartny

>The first earth quake shock at day light at Jesupil (UA) on 23 April 2019
>was felt as one part of double-loco UZ 2TE10M-2601 passed with train 7
>(Kyiv, UA - Ivano-Frankivsk, UA).

There are 2 reasons why the train on photo cannot be 7/8:
-train 7/8 cannot be so long (reason is the same as for 1/2, also the same reason don't allow the train 15/16 to be long)
-first car after loco is platzkartny - while 7/8 don't contain platzkartny
-7/8 have non-standard livery. So usual blue with yellow strip is definelty not a 7/8. It's is performed by the same trainsets, as IC749/750, so (most of) cars must have the same livery as you can see on your photos of 749/750. Also on your photos of IC749/IC750 you can see how 7/8 should look like

>UZ 2M62y-0215 runs through Voloshchyna (UA) with train 134
>(Mykolayiv, UA - Ivano-Frankivsk, UA) on 26 April 2019.

Oppositely - on this photo we sees definitely the 1/2 Kostiantynivka - Ivano-Frankivsk. By following combination of features - all cars are new and beautiful, train is short and complete abscence of platzkarny - makes obvious it's one NightExpresses - i.e. one of 1/2, 7/8 or 15/16. But all those 3 trains have different livery - 7/8 and 15/16 have their own liveries while only 1/2 wear usual UZ livery, so it's definitely cannot be other train than 1/2.



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Thanks Maxy, you corrections are much appreciated and have been incorporated (with some alternative best guess estimates).

Cheers,
Wouter

still not correct

geschrieben von: maxy

Datum: 09.11.19 18:28

The changed descriptions of first 2 photos we'd discussed above is still incorrect.

It cannot be 15 Kharkiv - Rakhiv too, because of same reasons as I've told you about 1/2 or 7/8. 15/16 is similarly to 1/2 or 7/8 it's also NightExpress (but not the usual fast train) - it means it must be the short train (16 cars - it's definitely not the NightExpress).
Also, like all NightExpresses - 15/16 must consist of newer and tidy painted cars with more expensive high quality paint, but not old buckets painted by painted with low quality paint, like those.
And 15/16 also don't contain platzkarny, while we can see at last 4 platkaztny immeditely after loco on photos, I'm not sure about 5th car, it's not so well visible to see the difference well, but it's more similar to 4-berth compartments.
Additional argument - 15/16 have very specific livery, so you never confuse with any other train on this line, look, you also have photo of real 15/16
[www.roundnoses.com]

Do you have any record related to this photo, which will help to identify what it was?
In worst case of course we can juxtapose with service timetable to narrow the choice - it's possible to check which of trains had at last 4 platzkartny after loco and then probably the 5th car after loco 4-bed kupe and can have 16 cars in total, but may be you have records which will make this search not needed.



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