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> Kommen finnische Güterwagen auch nach Deutschland
> bzw. in die Eu?
>
Normalspurwagen aus SE kommend werden regelmässig in EU-Stadt Tornio auf Breitspurwagen und LKWs umgeladen.
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> bzw. in die Eu?
>
Normalspurwagen aus SE kommend werden regelmässig in EU-Stadt Tornio auf Breitspurwagen und LKWs umgeladen.
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Hi, I'll answer in English, I can read your messages but writing in German might be a bit difficult.
Finnish history being independent part of Zhars Russia in 19th century unfortunately lead to gauge becoming 1524 mm. This was later narrowed to 1520 mm on the Soviet side, but independent Finsland decided to stiock with the 1524, still in use today. Russian freight cars and some coaches can access Finnish network though, but no locomotives outside immediate border areas.
The one of the kind gauge has lead to isolationism on Finnish railroading, and as pointed above, there is only now hope with open access that railways will stop loosing traffic to rubber wheeled traffic. Of course market share in Finland for rail is something like 30% of freight while in Germany it is only 9% (this is from EU statistics). So consider Finland as an island without any land access to surrounding countries, except by road or airways, something internationally minded Finns use a lot.
The transloading operations in Stockholm harbor, Germany and Hanko / Turku are now gone. With all the years I've been observing Haparanda transloading point there has also been very little traffic there: transloading is costly, so this means the countries with normal gauge only can compete.
But, as usual, there is hope: Rail Baltica II normal gauge 1435 mm line is progressing from Marijampole to Kaunas in Lithuania. The plans are that this will eventually reach Tallinn, Estonia (maybe in 10 years). This in turn will enable Finnish trailers and containers to be put on train in Tallinn after 60 kilometers of crossing the guld and reaching next day Berliun and beyond on intermodal train.
Here is one of the MOW vehicles near Marijampole by the time of building last year. Please note this was on the Russian Gauge side. Picture by Ilkka.
Finnish history being independent part of Zhars Russia in 19th century unfortunately lead to gauge becoming 1524 mm. This was later narrowed to 1520 mm on the Soviet side, but independent Finsland decided to stiock with the 1524, still in use today. Russian freight cars and some coaches can access Finnish network though, but no locomotives outside immediate border areas.
The one of the kind gauge has lead to isolationism on Finnish railroading, and as pointed above, there is only now hope with open access that railways will stop loosing traffic to rubber wheeled traffic. Of course market share in Finland for rail is something like 30% of freight while in Germany it is only 9% (this is from EU statistics). So consider Finland as an island without any land access to surrounding countries, except by road or airways, something internationally minded Finns use a lot.
The transloading operations in Stockholm harbor, Germany and Hanko / Turku are now gone. With all the years I've been observing Haparanda transloading point there has also been very little traffic there: transloading is costly, so this means the countries with normal gauge only can compete.
But, as usual, there is hope: Rail Baltica II normal gauge 1435 mm line is progressing from Marijampole to Kaunas in Lithuania. The plans are that this will eventually reach Tallinn, Estonia (maybe in 10 years). This in turn will enable Finnish trailers and containers to be put on train in Tallinn after 60 kilometers of crossing the guld and reaching next day Berliun and beyond on intermodal train.
Here is one of the MOW vehicles near Marijampole by the time of building last year. Please note this was on the Russian Gauge side. Picture by Ilkka.
There are a few facts that I'd like to make additions to not to give a faulty idea how things are.
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A lot of SA3 couplered traffic exists between Russia and Finland (or existed before Russia attacked Ukraine causing sanctions of EU to become into effect). All Finnish larger locomotives are equipped mainly with SA3 and secondarily with old and obsolete European hook and chain coupler. Using automatic couplers are much more effective than using the backward European hook solution. (I realize SA3 is Willison coupler from U.K. and European too). First picture below shows one of the Russsian built VL40 locomotives wearing SA3, hook coupler is used with a smart steel adapter in the motuh of it.
> Regelmässige Einsatz von Finnische Güterwagen in
> Russland-Verkehr endete im Jahr 1958, mit
> endgültige Ersatz von Schraubenkupplungen mit SA3
> in UdSSR. Danach sind Finnische Güterwagen nur in
> Einzelfällen in Russenverkehr im Einsatz gewesen,
> und auch dies seit Jahren nicht mehr.
Exactly, however there are 4 two way connections with 1522 mm Pendolino sets between Helsinki and St Petersburg. Using coaches ceased because this kind of traffic was seen obsolete. Before Russia attacked Ukraine, the RZD+VR owned Pendolinos were doing great but are now, due to sanctions, in severe trouble of quickly shrinking customer base. Few Finns I know now like to visit Russia any more and as Russian economy is in chaos this clearly shows with rapidly declining traveller numbers.
Second picture shown one of these RZD+VR=Karelian Trains 4 trains. Cross border traffic is monopolized to VR and RZD due to Russian wishes (unlike in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania,...)
> Regelmässige Einsatz von Finnische Personenwagen
> in Russland endete im Jahr 2010. Dann wurden die
> Lokbespannten Zügen zwischen Helsinki und Sankt
> Petersburg (Repin mit RZD-Wagen und Sibelius mit
> Finnische Wagen) mit Allegro-Neigezüge ersetzt.
It definitely looks like the Russian capable coaching has unfortunately been loosing its designated ability to operate to high Russian platforms. As you say below, so still exist though. But for coach trains today only Russian and Siemens Viaggio classic stock are used. You can find these for example on the nightly Helsinki - Moscow trains (2 exist, one each way).
I Included a picture of the slightly older coaching. It looks like RZD is changing these every five years or so for some reason.
> Die einzige Finnische Wagen, die jetzt nach
> Russland kommen sind die Salonwagen A 40 und A 41,
> sowie Aggregatwagen Fey 29951 für dessen
> Stromversorgung.
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J. Nes schrieb:
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A lot of SA3 couplered traffic exists between Russia and Finland (or existed before Russia attacked Ukraine causing sanctions of EU to become into effect). All Finnish larger locomotives are equipped mainly with SA3 and secondarily with old and obsolete European hook and chain coupler. Using automatic couplers are much more effective than using the backward European hook solution. (I realize SA3 is Willison coupler from U.K. and European too). First picture below shows one of the Russsian built VL40 locomotives wearing SA3, hook coupler is used with a smart steel adapter in the motuh of it.
> Regelmässige Einsatz von Finnische Güterwagen in
> Russland-Verkehr endete im Jahr 1958, mit
> endgültige Ersatz von Schraubenkupplungen mit SA3
> in UdSSR. Danach sind Finnische Güterwagen nur in
> Einzelfällen in Russenverkehr im Einsatz gewesen,
> und auch dies seit Jahren nicht mehr.
Exactly, however there are 4 two way connections with 1522 mm Pendolino sets between Helsinki and St Petersburg. Using coaches ceased because this kind of traffic was seen obsolete. Before Russia attacked Ukraine, the RZD+VR owned Pendolinos were doing great but are now, due to sanctions, in severe trouble of quickly shrinking customer base. Few Finns I know now like to visit Russia any more and as Russian economy is in chaos this clearly shows with rapidly declining traveller numbers.
Second picture shown one of these RZD+VR=Karelian Trains 4 trains. Cross border traffic is monopolized to VR and RZD due to Russian wishes (unlike in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania,...)
> Regelmässige Einsatz von Finnische Personenwagen
> in Russland endete im Jahr 2010. Dann wurden die
> Lokbespannten Zügen zwischen Helsinki und Sankt
> Petersburg (Repin mit RZD-Wagen und Sibelius mit
> Finnische Wagen) mit Allegro-Neigezüge ersetzt.
It definitely looks like the Russian capable coaching has unfortunately been loosing its designated ability to operate to high Russian platforms. As you say below, so still exist though. But for coach trains today only Russian and Siemens Viaggio classic stock are used. You can find these for example on the nightly Helsinki - Moscow trains (2 exist, one each way).
I Included a picture of the slightly older coaching. It looks like RZD is changing these every five years or so for some reason.
> Die einzige Finnische Wagen, die jetzt nach
> Russland kommen sind die Salonwagen A 40 und A 41,
> sowie Aggregatwagen Fey 29951 für dessen
> Stromversorgung.
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